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The Unidroit Convention:            http://www.unidroit.org/english/conventions/c-cult.htm
Background and interpretation:     http://www.city.ac.uk/artspol/schneider.html
A Collector's Perspective:           http://www.unidroit.net/Analysis.htm
Problems Collectors can face:  http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/page1/98/02/23/bolivia.html


What is the Unidroit Convention?

The Unidroit Convention (1995) is an international agreement for the return of stolen or illegally exported "cultural objects." It includes among the items defined as "cultural objects:"
(e) antiquities more than one hundred years old, such as inscriptions, coins and engraved seals
(i) postage, revenue and similar stamps, singly or in collections

An important provision of this convention defines any object that has been excavated or otherwise discovered and not reported to authorities, contrary to the law of the State in which it is discovered, as "stolen." This goes beyond existing law in many nations.

Why are stamp, coin and antiquities dealers and collectors concerned about the Unidroit Convention?

The definitions of stamps, coins and antiquities are so broadly stated that any collector or institution owning a stamp, coin or minor antiquity (such as a scarab or oil lamp) more than one hundred years old, originating in  another country than that in which the collection resides, could be required to return it to the country of origin in the absence of documentary proof that the object was legally exported. Moreover, if the collector cannot produce evidence of provenance, the object could be seized without compensation.

Description

This list is dedicated to discussing the effects of the Unidroit Convention and related legislation on trading in and collecting stamps, coins and antiquities, and in particular, on ancient coin collecting.

The term "stamps" is defined as including all objects recognized as collectible by stamp collectors, such as postage, revenue, tax and hunting license stamps,  covers, philatelic postcards, blocks, sheets and all other officially issued stamps of any kind including embossed stamps on documents and encased stamps used as currency.

The term "coins" is defined as including all objects recognized as collectible by coin collectors, such as coins, medals, tokens, coinage related artifacts such as dies, and paper currency.

Antiquities are defined to be the products of all ancient cultures prior to the Islamic conquest of Sasanian Persia  (649 a.d.) and also the products of the Byzantine Empire prior to the fall of Constantinople in 1204 a.d. Although the list particularly focuses on minor antiquities, all kinds of antiquities including ancient weapons and ancient art objects are considered to be topical.

Discussion topics may include:
    * T
he intent and scope of Unidroit and related legislation,
    * The intentions and motives of those who advocate this legislation,
    * News and events related to this legislation,
    * Ways in which this legislation could be modified/improved,
    * Alternative approaches to dealing with the problems that Unidroit addresses,
    * News and events related to illegal export of stamps, coins and antiquities, thefts from institutions, forgery, unethical trading practices, site robbing and anything else that tends to discredit stamp, coin and antiquities trading or collecting as an avocation.

Basically, anything to do with the law as it applies to trading in and collecting stamps, coins and ancient artifacts is on topic. Lively discussions are encouraged but extended flames, abusive language, rants and repetitious postings are not. Sales notices and other commercial postings are not allowed

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Language
The language used in all posts, announcements and replies shall be English.

The List Agenda
This discussion list has an agenda:
To define the impact of the 1995 Unidroit convention on collectors of coins, stamps and antiquities. The objective is to arrive at an understanding of the practical effects of the convention, the problems and difficulties (if any) that it would cause, and whether it would create uncertain or unfavorable market conditions that would impact collectors and the sale of collections.


What is allowed?
Almost anything as long as it is related to the law as it applies to trading in and collecting stamps, coins and ancient artifacts. Examples:

   * The  effects of the Unidroit Convention on collecting, including legal obligations for collectors.
   * The case for the Unidroit Convention - site robbing and unethical antiquities trading.
   * If the Unidroit Convention is adopted, will it be effective in eliminating site looting?
   * Who is behind Unidroit? Who are its active proponents?
   * The case against the Unidroit Convention - its side effects, the difficulties of collecting under Unidroit.
   * The good that collectors do - their contributions to education, society, science and museums.
   * Alternative methods of preventing or discouraging site looting.
   * Alternative approaches to reforming the antiquities trade to control trade in looted objects.
   * Should common minor antiquities such as coins, seals, scarabs and oil lamps be treated differently?

What is particularly Encouraged?
   * Information and arguments are needed better explaining the advantages of the 1995 Unidroit convention.
   * Legal opinion, from any qualified source, is needed particularly regarding:
         - Legislation involved in accession to the convention: possibility of exceptions, reservations, etc.
         - Application of the convention to collectors of coins, stamps and antiquities
         - Value or importance threshold for minor objects such as coins and stamps
         - Documentation of provenance: what would be legally acceptable
         - Due diligence investigations: are they required for all objects?


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   * Flame wars.

What is Discouraged?
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   * Red herrings. Discussions should either provide general information of interest or advance the agenda.
  
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