| Description
This list is dedicated to discussing effects of online
auctions (and other Internet venues) selling forgeries, fakes, altered and
misrepresented items on the avocations of collecting stamps, coins,
antiquities and other collectibles.
The definition of "collectibles" for this group does not include autographs,
sports memorabilia, trading cards, Franklin Mint productions and similar
items, and in general anything intentionally created to be sold as a
collectible.
The term "stamps" is defined as
including all objects recognized as collectible by stamp collectors, such as
postage, revenue, tax and hunting license stamps, covers, philatelic
postcards, blocks, sheets and all other officially issued stamps of any kind
including embossed stamps on documents and encased stamps used as currency.
The term "coins" is defined as
including all objects recognized as collectible by coin collectors, such as
coins, medals, tokens, coinage related artifacts such as dies, and paper
currency.
Antiquities are defined to be the
products of all ancient cultures prior to the Islamic conquest of Sasanian
Persia (649 a.d.) and also the products of the Byzantine Empire prior
to the fall of Constantinople in 1204 a.d. Although the list particularly
focuses on minor antiquities, all kinds of antiquities including ancient
weapons and ancient art objects are considered to be topical.
Topics may include the need for regulation and
legislation to protect collectors from Internet fraud, methods and modus
operandi of those who sell fake and misrepresented collectibles, news and
events related to fake collectibles, ways in which venues on which fakes are
sold could be modified/improved, and anything else that tends to discredit
the perceived authenticity of stamps, coins, antiquities and other
collectibles. Basically anything to do with fraud
and authenticity issues in online trading of stamps, coins, ancient
artifacts and other collectibles is on topic.
Lively discussions are encouraged but extended
flames, abusive language, rants and repetitious postings are not. Sales
notices and other commercial postings are not allowed.
To contact the moderator directly send an email to:
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Your moderator (listowner) is Dave Welsh.
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List Use and Rules
Language
The language used in all posts, announcements and replies shall be English.
The List Agenda
This
discussion list has an agenda:
To define the impact of Internet fraud involving sale of fake and
misrepresented items on collectors of coins,
stamps, antiquities and other collectibles. The objective is to arrive at an
understanding of the practical effects of this fraudulent trading, the problems and difficulties that it causes,
and the extent to which it creates uncertain or
unfavorable market conditions that impact collectors and the sale of
collections.
Finally and most important, the agenda iof this list is to devise, promote
and campaign for remedial action to control (and where possible eliminate)
fraudulent Internet trading in fake and misrepresented collectibles.
What is allowed?
Almost anything as long as it is related to the problem
of
fake and misrepresented collectibles being sold via the Internet, and the law as it
applies to this.
What is particularly Encouraged?
* Information on how online venues can be induced
to impose meaningful self-regulation
* Legal opinion, from any qualified
source, particularly regarding:
- Legislation involving online
auction venues and other venues involved in sales of collectibles
- Regulation of online auction
venues and other venues involved in sales of collectibles
Commercial Postings
Commercial postings of any kind are prohibited, but
posters may include a link identifying their commercial website in
their signature block provided that no advertising language accompanies this
link.
What is NOT allowed?
* Political commentaries or diatribes.
* Profane or abusive language, personal attacks against Listmembers
or anyone else.
* Ad hominem arguments of any kind. It is
appropriate to criticize ideas, but never individuals.
* Flame wars.
What is Discouraged?
* Repetition. Once a point has been made, there is
no need to keep repeating it.
* Red herrings. Discussions should
either provide general information of interest or advance the agenda.
Members of eFakes-L
are required to behave
responsibly towards the list and each other. The moderator reserves
the right to exercise censorship.
The list focuses on a subject where opinions are strongly
held on both sides of the issues, and it is essential that the rules of
civility be observed. Arguments do not become more effective by being
presented in a discourteous or abusive manner.
Moderation and Expulsion
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will be approved by the moderator before
distribution to the list) or in cases of
flagrant abuse, to expel
users, permanently or temporarily. Profane or
abusive language will be grounds for immediate and permanent expulsion from
the list.
Mediation
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disputes or disagreements.
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a balanced discussion of issues. Whether you are a collector or a dealer
concerned about practical problems involved in sales of fake collectibles, a
government employee concerned about problems involved in regulating such
venues, or a representative of one of the venues concerned, your opinion is valued.
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